Evolution Vs. Creationism

[Monkey Sin M.D.]

Does any body want to discuss evolution Vs. Creationism (i'm on creationism's side) i'm down to talk to anybody about it!

[vasper]

Well how about you explain what each one is (unbasisly), then you'll get this topic going.

[cornbin]

vasper said:

Well how about you explain what each one is (unbasisly), then you'll get this topic going.

I'll try to do it shortly. Creationism: God created adam and eve and we went from there. Evolution: We evolved from bacteria to humans. I think it is something like that.My school completely shielded us from it. Which pissed me off immensly. Honestly if it is like that, I am going to be on both sides. I think we evolved but we had some divine assistance. Oh well that's me.

[Nihongo]

IT takes a lot of thinking, but I believe we evolved because of Divine intervention. Think about it, the Bible says it took God 7 days to make Earth. How do we know it meant 6 of OUR days.
6 days to God could be millions of years, the same amount of time scientists say it took for Earth to form.
Almost everything that is in evolution, can fit in with what the Bible says. After all "The bible is not to be taken litterally."

[Alb]

That is a good point. A point that I have thought of many times before. I belive that the 6 days (btw Nihongo it was 6 days not 7) that God took to create the earth could be symbolical. Each "day" to God after all could really be more such as 1,000 years or maybe even more.

[Nihongo]

admin said:

That is a good point. A point that I have thought of many times before. I belive that the 6 days (btw Nihongo it was 6 days not 7) that God took to create the earth could be symbolical. Each "day" to God after all could really be more such as 1,000 years or maybe even more.

Whoops. Little error. Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking.

[agent71]

corbinator said:

vasper said:

Well how about you explain what each one is (unbasisly), then you'll get this topic going.

I'll try to do it shortly. Creationism: God created adam and eve and we went from there. Evolution: We evolved from bacteria to humans. I think it is something like that.My school completely shielded us from it. Which pissed me off immensly. Honestly if it is like that, I am going to be on both sides. I think we evolved but we had some divine assistance. Oh well that's me.

I agree with you. I think it was evoultion but like at the very begging(the first thing) we had some divine assistance

[cornbin]

I'm glad we can talk about this maturely. On NG it would just be like "yeah athiests rule,theirs no god,religion was made by the government." I think it is funny though. I know a "athiest"(I don't think he really is though.) Whenever he says "There is no proof of god existince" So I just say to him "absense of evidence does not mean evidence is completely absent." I heard a saying like that somewhere so now I say it to him.

[Conn]

Hmm... this is always a pretty touchy issue. I hope this doesn't end badly.

I'm on Evolutionism's side. Creationism is founded in 2000-year-old philosophy, while Evolutionism is founded on scienctific observation (namely Charles Darwin's findings at the Galapagos islands, then expanded to a theory that one species can gradually become another).

I'm not dead-set on believing that there is no God, for reasons already posted here, so I'm an agnostic. However, I'm not give any reason to believe that he exists, either, so for me it's more of a 'live life, die, then found out in the afterlife, if there is one.' If He does exist, then I think it's impossible for him to be omnipotent, because omnipotence is somewhat paradoxical.

That being said, I don't believe that Christian beliefs are a "stupid" thing to believe, because many who have defended religion against science have come up with interpretations of biblical stories such that science and religion do not conflict, which is nice. For example, the Lutherans (I have been told) believe that God created Evolution. What seems silly to me is that many are quick to exclaim that science and religion MUST conflict eachother, and they really don't.

The way I see it, the origin of mankind and the world cannot be explained by either science or religion, at least in this point in time. Many religious followers are unsatisfied with scientific theories, but we are always gaining more knowledge, and one day we will know exactly how we came about existing.

I'm willing to respect both sides of the issue.

[Monkey Sin M.D.]

conn said:

Hmm... this is always a pretty touchy issue. I hope this doesn't end badly.

I'm on Evolutionism's side. Creationism is founded in 2000-year-old philosophy, while Evolutionism is founded on scienctific observation (namely Charles Darwin's findings at the Galapagos islands, then expanded to a theory that one species can gradually become another).

I'm not dead-set on believing that there is no God, for reasons already posted here, so I'm an agnostic. However, I'm not give any reason to believe that he exists, either, so for me it's more of a 'live life, die, then found out in the afterlife, if there is one.' If He does exist, then I think it's impossible for him to be omnipotent, because omnipotence is somewhat paradoxical.

That being said, I don't believe that Christian beliefs are a "stupid" thing to believe, because many who have defended religion against science have come up with interpretations of biblical stories such that science and religion do not conflict, which is nice. For example, the Lutherans (I have been told) believe that God created Evolution. What seems silly to me is that many are quick to exclaim that science and religion MUST conflict eachother, and they really don't.

The way I see it, the origin of mankind and the world cannot be explained by either science or religion, at least in this point in time. Many religious followers are unsatisfied with scientific theories, but we are always gaining more knowledge, and one day we will know exactly how we came about existing.

I'm willing to respect both sides of the issue.

I'm going to try to say this as best i can because i sometimes can't get my message across so if you something wrong (or don't agree with, or don't understand) please bear with me i do my best to clarify. First the part about creationism being based on a 2,000 isn't right that's just how long christianity has been around, but the jews havae believed that since the beginning (as you know christianity comes from judisim)

And don't get me wrong i believe in evovlution well a form of it!There's 2 different kinds of evolution the first is Micro (the one i KNOW exist) where if i put pesticide on insects and they evovle so the pesticide doesn't hurt them! it changes them but not the species.
Macro evolution is where a fish can learn to walk on land because it wanted too. They say it walked because generations of it tried walking and died until one could survive by the same logic does that mean if enough of my family drowns we will eventually earn gills and fins?

How is being omnipotent paradoxical?

I would love to talk about this (the existence of God) to you indetail and i am not talking about going to the bible i'm talking about scientific facts that we could share. so reply if your interested.

i have never come to the point where science and religion don't mix.
"science and religion are not at ends science is just to young to understand" Pope Alexander

so yea respond

[Monkey Sin M.D.]

And if anyone wants to get to the science of the bible hit me up or reply kay lates

[Conn]

I'm glad that we can agree that science and religion don't have to conflict one another. I just see a lot of argument over that, and it discomforts me every time.

As for omnipotence.

The reason I said it was paradoxical was... well, have you heard this philosophical question? "Can God create a boulder so heavy that even he can't lift it?" (And it's not exclusively a boulder, either, just a question of God being able to create any sort of challenge that even he himself could not complete) With either answer, he would not be omnipotent, on one hand because he could not CREATE said boulder, or on the other hand because he wouldn't be able to LIFT said boulder.

People who have tried to answer this question have said that it's a matter of choice, but in that case, to me, it would still not be omnipotence - he would have to choose which ability he would lack.

So, if you follow, omnipotence is really impossible. Assuming that God exists, even His abilities would have to have some limitations.

[Nihongo]

Holy shit! This conversation is going so scientifically.
Noone's flaming or posting stupid comments like on NG.
One more reason this site is soo much better in my eyes.

Yes, I too believe that science and religon shouldn't clash. Both are important aspects of discovering one's self and the world around them. One thing I see wrong with the Christian and Catholic religons is that they made a belief structure so tight.
They made it so tight, that when a person oppoes their beliefs they will die for it. People suffer for beliefs, but ideas can be changed and accepted. Plus ideas aren't as oppressing as beliefs.
But no one person can change the world, so let them do as they wish. It's fine with me.

[cornbin]

nihongo said:

Holy shit! This conversation is going so scientifically.
Noone's flaming or posting stupid comments like on NG.
One more reason this site is soo much better in my eyes.

Yes, I too believe that science and religon shouldn't clash. Both are important aspects of discovering one's self and the world around them. One thing I see wrong with the Christian and Catholic religons is that they made a belief structure so tight.
They made it so tight, that when a person oppoes their beliefs they will die for it. People suffer for beliefs, but ideas can be changed and accepted. Plus ideas aren't as oppressing as beliefs.
But no one person can change the world, so let them do as they wish. It's fine with me.

Well I think when people died for their beliefs was in the 1500-1600's.That's why the christians came to america (to escape persecution). Also catholic is a christian religion,not one by itself. If no one can change the world I can think of a few people who came close...

[Nihongo]

corbinator said:

Well I think when people died for their beliefs was in the 1500-1600's.That's why the christians came to america (to escape persecution). Also catholic is a christian religion,not one by itself. If no one can change the world I can think of a few people who came close...

Yes well that was all just opinions of some. I know the Catholic religion is close to Christians, but it's still considered a diffrent religion due to it's Sacraments, Eucharist, etc.
Yes many have come close to changing the world. However, I guess some have succeced.

[kirbykiller4]

well i think that starting off with 2 will not work.i would like to call my self a scientoligist but sadly they turned that into a crappy religion I PUT A CURSE ON RON HUBBARD!

[cornbin]

Haha I think you need to tell us about who Ron Hubbard is...maybe you could also explain scientology...

[kirbykiller4]

corbinator said:

Haha I think you need to tell us about who Ron Hubbard is...maybe you could also explain scientology...

ron hubbard was a famouse sci-fi writer.during an interview he said to the interviewer,"the real way to make money is to start your own religion" well a few years later he followed his own advice and created scientoligy.the start of scientoligy is from a story that the god xanu (i am NOT kidding) trapped all the leaders of the planets and put there souls into the bodies of earthlings and erased there memories.i am much too lazy to write the rest of this crap story.

[cornbin]

Okay I thought he was the guy who started it but I didn't want to offend you. So the leaders of other planets? Does this story say what other planets,and do sciontologist believe life to be on other planets if "leaders" were there?

[kirbykiller4]

corbinator said:

Okay I thought he was the guy who started it but I didn't want to offend you. So the leaders of other planets? Does this story say what other planets,and do sciontologist believe life to be on other planets if "leaders" were there?

alien planets and ya they beleive in a lot of stupid sh*t